New release candidate coming up?

[balgior]

Hello!

Progress in nightly builts is huge since rc2 and i really think that rc2 should be replaced at main project's site with 1.0rc3, 1.0stable, 1.1rc1, 2.0a1 or something... Just to give people an idea of what's going on here with an official release!  :lol: But this, of course, is just my opinion - it's for the development team to decide but... is something coming up soon?

[mandrav]

We have a few things to do first. Once they 're done, we 'll make the next official release.

Yiannis.

[Game_Ender]

Please put a roadmap on the wiki.  I really like Ogre's and you must have one written somewhere, whether it be on paper or in your mind.  It will help keep the community on pace with development and allow others to possibly submit patches in needed areas.

[pjk]

One advantage of such a release even if you know it is premature is that it would reduce the traffic caused by people installing a nightly build on top of rc2 which seems to cause a number of problems

[Blue-Tiger]

Hi there!
I think you all miss the biggest problem: ppl think Code::Blocks is dead. Just today in another forum I had to explain to others that CB isn't dead at all, but all they see is that RC1 came out, soon after RC2 came out and then... nothing for half a year. One reason for that is that
you can only download the nightly builds if you're registered in the forum. That's been bugging me for a while now: as unregistered visitor you cannot see the "developer forums", so you don't have any chance to see the progress this project makes. At least the "nightly builds" forum should definitely be free for unregs, too.
That said I also think it's quite a strange version numbering you have. Usually "Release Candidate" implicates that the version is almost as good as "the real thing". I remember e.g. Firefox 1.5 RC2 or GCC 4.1 RC2 even became the "official" Firefox 1.5/GCC 4.1 without any change. Whereas here after RC2 there even is a Code-Completition overhault and other big changes. But well, I know this is not the place to discuss such things

[takeshimiya]

One reason for that is that
you can only download the nightly builds if you're registered in the forum. That's been bugging me for a while now: as unregistered visitor you cannot see the "developer forums", so you don't have any chance to see the progress this project makes. At least the "nightly builds" forum should definitely be free for unregs, too.

Actually I had the same problem trying to explain others that they needt to be registered. Honestly, no registration should be needed for viewing the forum. Posting is another history.

That said I also think it's quite a strange version numbering you have. Usually "Release Candidate" implicates that the version is almost as good as "the real thing". I remember e.g. Firefox 1.5 RC2 or GCC 4.1 RC2 even became the "official" Firefox 1.5/GCC 4.1 without any change. Whereas here after RC2 there even is a Code-Completition overhault and other big changes.

Everyone knows that the past numbering version was flawed, RC introducing new features, etc, and nothing can be done with that, it's past.
The current problem is that I haven't seen discussions on how to procede from the next release (I hope that comes after the release).

I have seen requests lately on a roadmap, and I think that defining clear (small or broad) goals, will benefit from more contributions of other developers.
I just remember when rick organized the unicode conversion. At that moment lot's of devs advocated to that task, and in few days it was done.

[Ged]

I highly agree with what's being said here.

I have a hard time trying to promote this product as people can't download a decent version.

RC2 is highly crippled to the point where it's unproductive to use. However the current builds are the exact opposite and a joy.

It's really hurting the project by not releasing at least another RC.

[Vampyre_Dark]

RC2 works great. Best IDE I ever used. I think saying you can't DL a decent version of it is a slight exageration.

I agree with what people are saying about info. There is a huge rift between the users and the developers. I visit this place at least 5 times a day and I still don't know what is going on with Code::Blocks.  :lol:

You call your dev forums, Developers Only, which implies you don't want us users in here, and I almost never peek in here. OSS doesn't imply that every user wants to be actively involved in the development process. Us users often post about something in the user part of the forum, and we get pointed into this part as if you expect us to be posting here, even though we aren't developers.

Why not do a monthly update? Every month write about what has happened with Code::Blocks, The Known Issues (and if there are plans to fix them), what features are being worked on, and the outlook on when a new release might be coming.

[thomas]

Why not do a monthly update? Every month write about what has happened with Code::Blocks, The Known Issues (and if there are plans to fix them), what features are being worked on, and the outlook on when a new release might be coming.

Short answer: because nobody has the time to do it.

Longer answer: Most of this is in fact done, to some extent. We only don't have one single place where all information is collected. Until we have a better infrastructure for managing that information, this is very tedious. Right now, what we have available is the forum, the WiKi, and static HTML pages. None of this is suitable for managing content like this. Yes, we know about a better solution, and we are working on one, but again, we have too little time for everything.

In order to get version 1.0 out, we have a schedule which is filled to the last slot for the next 4 months, and the more administrative work we have to do in addition, the less likely we will be able to follow our schedule.

[Vampyre_Dark]

No time to make just one post on the forum and sticky it? I'm not talking about a huge undertaking, which huge lists of things. I'm talking about maybe 2 paragraphs just to let us know what's going on. Mandrav posts what's on his mind about CodeBlocks, then Thomas can post, then lock it and leave it. Anyone who comes into the forums can immediately see what is going on with Code::Blocks.

[mandrav]

Right now, what we have available is the forum, the WiKi, and static HTML pages. None of this is suitable for managing content like this. Yes, we know about a better solution, and we are working on one, but again, we have too little time for everything.

Everyone, just read the above carefully and...stay tuned

[yop]

Everyone, just read the above carefully and...stay tuned

You just can't resist a good idea can you?

[MortenMacFly]

Right now, what we have available is the forum, the WiKi, and static HTML pages. None of this is suitable for managing content like this. Yes, we know about a better solution, and we are working on one, but again, we have too little time for everything.

Everyone, just read the above carefully and...stay tuned

Again and again the same discussion. I've a short-term idea but I really don't insist on this: What about providing a link to the SVN changelog on the Download page with the title "See work in progress...". I know there is no direct link to the log but everybody having a SVN client can simply create such a ChangeLog and upload it as plain text file thus updating the content of the link from time to time. I would volunteer if this is of help.
With regards, Morten.

[thomas]

From what I know you can't modify the download page to display arbitrary links. It is a more readable listing of the project's ftp directory in table form.

We could still display the changelog somewhere on the forums, but Lieven already does that with every nightly build. Personally, I think such stuff does not belong onto the forum anyway. It belongs onto the main page. And there we are again, we can't do it until we have a better infrastructure, otherwise someone has to edit and upload a HTML file by hand every day...

[phlox81]

Get down to business.
CB is a really nice IDE, if you take a look at the nightlies.
Sure, some plugins might not be the best working right now (Code Completion, wxSmith f.e.),
but, there is no reason to hide the advance of the project, even
if its not worth a release candidate, think about saying the lastest stable
version is rc2. Take a look at now, and rc2, the introduction of wxFlatNotebook
did a huge improvement in Usability, which rc2 simply can't offer.
Also, Code Completion and wxSmith still aren't perfect, their on a stage to work
with, and their lightyears beyond rc2.

Guess, someone is new to CB, what is he supposed to install ?
RC2 isn't really CB anymore, since the Project moved on, and
is now a whole lot different. Install a nightly build would be also possible.
But heck, where do I get a stable (almost not crashing, mostly working) version from ?
The nighly forum only offers the newest builds, shouldn't you think about some sticky thread,
pointing out the latest stable versions, which a new user could install ?

just my 2 cents...

phlox