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Developer forums (C::B DEVELOPMENT STRICTLY!) => Development => Topic started by: McGiwer on December 29, 2005, 12:39:35 pm
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Hi. This is the my first post on this forum. I'm not a developer yet, but I intend to participate in Polish translation of Code::Blocks. But first, I have an idea of changing the logo, because the current one still reminds me about M$, in my opinion it's too similar... What do you think about it? If the idea catches on, we'll organise the competition for the best logo ;) In my opinion it can be something very similar to the current one, but maybe colors... more curved corners...
What about it?
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Hi. This is the my first post on this forum. I'm not a developer yet, but I intend to participate in Polish translation of Code::Blocks. But first, I have an idea of changing the logo, because the current one still reminds me about M$, in my opinion it's too similar... What do you think about it? If the idea catches on, we'll organise the competition for the best logo ;) In my opinion it can be something very similar to the current one, but maybe colors... more curved corners...
What about it?
Yeah I think its a good idea.
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Hmm, I think that not only we two are for changing the logo :) Do you have any ideas of a new one? I'll try to create somethink for tomorrow. If you have any ideas, put the link here.
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Well, here you have at least one who is against it.
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Well, I don't see a reason for changing the logo - I rather like the current one.
But if you make a few examples we would have a better basis for discussing a possible change, because discussing if we should change it or not without having a real alternative doens't help us. But maybe you could bring up such a brilliant logo to even convince thomas? :D
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Perhaps if the angle and borders of the blocks were a *tiny bit* more accentuated, and the purple block was a bit more "out" than the others...
In any case:
a) Microsoft doesn't own a trademark over the colors
b) The Windows(TM) colors are in different order than ours
c) Our logo consists of blocks, not stained glass.
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Perhaps if the angle and borders of the blocks were a *tiny bit* more accentuated, and the purple block was a bit more "out" than the others...
And then you'd have to change your avatar again :lol:
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But maybe you could bring up such a brilliant logo to even convince thomas?
That's unlikely :lol:
There are several reasons why I am against changing the logo, and I believe those are good reasons:
1. There is nothing seriously wrong with the current logo.
2. People know the current logo, they recognize it and associate it with Code::Blocks. Even if it were not quite so good otherwise, that alone would justify to keep it. "Corporate identity" is a very important thing, and changing the logo causes a major caesura.
3. The logo - four blocks stacked on each other - is not just a logo. It is an ingenious idea. This logo is Code::Blocks.
4. It is simple. Simple is good.
5. It scales well both to different resolutions and colour depths. This is very hard to achieve with a "better" logo.
6. A lot of other artwork depends on it (I have spent a lot of time on that, myself)
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I just had to click on this thread and ask "why?" since I've always liked the existing logo. I find it descriptive of the program and smoke has to be quite thick in the room before four blocks get confused for a window. And even if it did look similar, why would this be a bad thing? I vote to retain it at least until Bill decides to sue.
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There are several reasons why I am against changing the logo, and I believe those are good reasons:
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3. The logo - four blocks stacked on each other - is not just a logo. It is an ingenious idea. This logo is Code::Blocks.
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Point(s) taken. :)
Don't change the four blocks as you said that is Code::Blocks. I was thinking maybe change the background on the splash screen or something. Not the four blocks. Although the splash from SVN is very nice. :)
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I was thinking maybe change the background on the splash screen or something.
This is already done for RC3.
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Definitely keep the current logo.
The spash screen should not say "Release Candidate x" though. It defeats the idea that the final release candidate is the actual released version. The release candidates for Firefox were only distinguishable from each other by the build date. That's the way it should be. Firefox 1.5 RC3 and Firefox 1.5 Final have the same md5sum if that says anything. So do OpenOffice 2.0 RC2 and OpenOffice 2.0 Final.
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I was thinking maybe change the background on the splash screen or something.
This is already done for RC3.
:lol: 8)
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Hello,
Personally, I like the actual C::B logo and IMHO it is very appropriate :). And I am not sure if thomas would like to change his avatar (it's cool :D) if the logo would change :).
Michael
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Hi! I really like the current logo.
Some months ago I made a splash screen based on the thomas one. :D
Here they are:
Takeshi Miya's grey version:
(http://xjapan.com.ar/downloads/cb/splash_screens/splash_new-grey.png)
Takeshi Miya's gradient version:
(http://xjapan.com.ar/downloads/cb/splash_screens/splash_new-gradient.png)
Original version:
(http://xjapan.com.ar/downloads/cb/splash_screens/splash_new-original.png)
I attach in zip here the rest of the images (about dialog, start_here):
http://xjapan.com.ar/downloads/cb/splash_screens/splash_screen-grey.zip
http://xjapan.com.ar/downloads/cb/splash_screens/splash_screen-gradient.zip
http://xjapan.com.ar/downloads/cb/splash_screens/splash_screen-original.zip
If you like 'em tell me so I post the psd sources, or if not, I could make any modification you want. :D
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@Takeshi Miya: Those look great. I especially like the blue "1" (edit: the one you call the gradient one). Can you make the gradient not go all the way to white though, or make the gray border darker. The bottom is hard to see. Also, look at Reply #11 above; they should say "Version 1.0" and not say RC3. :)
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Wow those r cool. I personnaly like the second one (The one with the blue 1). :)
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@Takeshi Miya: Nice work :D.
Personally, I like Takeshi Miya's gradient version, but also the RC2 original one.
Michael
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I like the original one on the other hand (though I always admire a beatifull grafic design like Takeshi Miya's, as I am totaly useless at it). But after all I think that this kind of discussions fall in the area of personal taste and this converasation could go on for ever :). I'm pretty sure that after a while there will be a plugin implementing some kind of a new "skin" in codeblocks (just by changing the grafix in the toolbar the splash and the menu items let's say).
On the other hand the discussion about the logo in the first posts is a very serious desision that should not be taken lightly and I totaly agree with thomas' point of view.
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I'm pretty sure that after a while there will be a plugin implementing some kind of a new "skin" in codeblocks (just by changing the grafix in the toolbar the splash and the menu items let's say).
A plugin for new skins is IMHO a good idea :). Each user can choose her/his preferred skin and made C::B more pleasant to use. Anyway, I think that the development of such a plugin could be delayed to a near (or far :)) future.
On the other hand the discussion about the logo in the first posts is a very serious desision that should not be taken lightly and I totaly agree with thomas' point of view.
This is also true. A logo identifies a product. If we change it the users would be confused and months would be necessary to make them accustomed to the new logo.
Michael
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One of the ideas behind wxWidgets is to not need skins, even across different operating systems. Rather, the interface widgets are "guaranteed" to be one that the user is most familiar with (the one native to their OS). I put it in quotes because there are a couple bugs in it. For the most part it is working very good though. :)
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I was thinking about changing the logo, but I think it should identify with the name Code::Blocks so removing blocks wouldn't be a good decision ;) Hmm... maybe if we'll do any changes in the logo in the future, we can make the blocks more curved, and maybe some change of colors (because of M$... but maybe it's a good idea to wait until Bill will have pretensions, hope he won't- it's not his logo ;)). I like the current logo, maybe only some just cosmetic changes in the future, but I'm not sure about it, because this one is ok... Heh :) In the summary, actual logo is good and it can stay without any changes. I'll post here if I do something ;)
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Hi! I really like the current logo.
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Takeshi Miya's gradient version:
(http://xjapan.com.ar/downloads/cb/splash_screens/splash_new-gradient.png)
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i like it too but modified a bit to the following versions
[attachment deleted by admin]
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Hmmm there's something I still don't like about the logo...
Why "1" and not "1.0" ?
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I based the logo on the thomas logo from RC2 some months ago, and it was that way :)
I'm not sure about the "1" or "1.0" at all, because the number is big and it haves BIG emphasis. Perhaps droping it at all would be better?
Anyways, I attach the modified versions as suggested by tiwag and 280Z28.
I'm attaching here (http://xjapan.com.ar/downloads/cb/splash_screens/splash-takeshi-gradient-1.zip) the PSDs for Photoshop sources also (sorry, I tried to use GIMPshop but it doesn't have the concept 'layer effects').
Splash screen for MSW:
(http://xjapan.com.ar/downloads/cb/splash_screens/splash_new.png)
About dialog image. Also Splash screen for systems that doesn't support alpha transparency:
(http://xjapan.com.ar/downloads/cb/splash_screens/splash.png)
Image for Start here page:
(http://xjapan.com.ar/downloads/cb/splash_screens/title.png)
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I don't see why the background needs to change. The original version is *terrific*, imho. I like the triple-layer transparency thing, and the colors.
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i like it much the way as Takeshi Miya ( thx again! :D )
has modyfied the CB splashes and have put them in my SVN build for testing
here is the screenshot
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9879/cbnewlogo12800in.th.png) (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cbnewlogo12800in.png)
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we are talking about the splashes and not the logo (thx for correction :) )
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I think the current logo looks fine.
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I also like the current logo.
But I've had to change the splash screens for myself for some psychological reasons only. (don't ask :lol:)
Now, talking about the splash screens (NOT the logo), feel free to use it, officialy or not.
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Anyways, I attach the modified versions as suggested by tiwag and 280Z28.
I'm attaching here (http://xjapan.com.ar/downloads/cb/splash_screens/splash-takeshi-gradient-1.zip) the PSDs for Photoshop sources also (sorry, I tried to use GIMPshop but it doesn't have the concept 'layer effects').
You can import PSD files into the GIMP.......
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You can import PSD files into the GIMP.......
Heh, that's why I said I tried, but GIMP doesn't have the concept "layer effects" or "blending options", so it doesn't works.
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Oh I see. :lol:
Yeah I wish GIMP had it oh well. :(
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One of the ideas behind wxWidgets is to not need skins, even across different operating systems. Rather, the interface widgets are "guaranteed" to be one that the user is most familiar with (the one native to their OS). I put it in quotes because there are a couple bugs in it. For the most part it is working very good though. :)
Yes, wxWidgets uses OS native widgets, but e.g., the wxUniversal project (http://www.wxwidgets.org/wxuniv.htm) not. Anyway, it should be possible to add some personalisation features that would make the use of C::B more pleasant for each user. But this is now IMHO not so important. May be later after the release of C::B version 1.
Michael
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(Trying to not go off-topic)
I'm almost sure that C::B doesn't currently compile with the Universal port (it will be a miracle).
BTW the main point of wxUniversal is not themeing (altrough is a good point), instead, it's bringing easily new widgets, or new supported platforms.
It was made to support the wxMGL port, which supports a lot of systems: Windows, Linux, DOS, OS/2, QNX, SMX, RT-Target and other embedded operating systems.
I can't imagine C::B running in DOS or OS/2. lol :lol:
An interesting fact about wxUniversal is that it haves some exclusive widgets that no other port haves.
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I can't imagine C::B running in DOS or OS/2. lol :lol:
I too :D.
Michael
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I can't imagine C::B running in DOS or OS/2. lol :lol:
I too :D.
Michael
Haha :lol:
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This thread has been long dead and buried, and my intention is not to reawaken the
defence reaction in any of the proponents of the current logo with my first post at the forum.
However, the first thing that I thought when going to the Code::Blocks main site was
"What the heck, is this a M$ product as well?"
The logo may be all fine and dandy, but you will be confused for M$ cronies with the
current logo by anyone seeing it for the first time (and not knowing in advance what this
is about)
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However, the first thing that I thought when going to the Code::Blocks main site was
"What the heck, is this a M$ product as well?"
Maybe that's an advantage for attracting those millions and millions of users that use M$ products, that still dominate the market share today. :wink: