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Offline RadicalInquisition

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My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« on: December 03, 2023, 11:10:36 am »
Basic level logic suggests that if I have been using code blocks for over 10 years, then this has got to be my favorite IDE. However, this is not the case sadly.
In fact, it is one of my least favorite programs that I still use.
Sure, for the most part, it gets the job done, but the moment I start questioning what I like about it I realize that the habit plays the biggest role as to why I am still using it.

Disclaimer: This is not a hate or rage post. However, keep in mind that this is intended as raw constructive criticism. Moreover, I will not be trying too much to decorate my wording so that it "sounds nice" and doesn't accidentally hurt someone's feelings. Also, I apologize for my lack of proficiency in English - this isn't my native language.

Why do I post now?
The reason I decided to post after so many years is simply because I generally do not like doing it. I don't believe there will be any positive effect whatsoever, and I don't have the nerve to engage in pointless arguments. I decided to post now after I read a particular thread, where the development team responded quite unprofessionally. Someone was hate-posting basically, listing potential issues with the program in a not-so-polite and constructive manner. He did raise several good points, but for the rest of his rant, I couldn't particularly share his sentiment.
On the other hand, as the usual response goes: "This has never happened to me".
As a business owner, a desktop software creator, and a senior user I can guarantee you that this is a substantially harmful mindset.
On top of that, it prevents the software from evolving at an optimal pace.
First of all, such a statement means and does nothing. If anything it only implies the lack of acknowledgment that there may be issues.
Now this is not a small software by any means, so the presence of issues is the single most normal thing and the correct attitude is to confront these issues seriously.
If you haven't given up on improving the product that is. Here is an example of what this "It never happened to me" approximately sounds like:
Imagine you go to a fast food restaurant where they ship their products to a vast audience. You want to enjoy a nice cheeseburger, but due to COVID-19, you have dysgeusia and you have a severe intolerance to the taste of onions. At the cash desk, you try to explain that and ask for a version of the cheeseburger without onions, but they reject your request with the words "I don't know, this has never happened to me, so..."
This might very well not be the case, and not how some people from the development team look at such issues, but it does sound as undermining the user-reported complaint nonetheless.
In the slightest, it is a vague statement that does nothing other than attempt to justify the problem.

My issues?
We are talking sudden crashes during nothing else but simple tasks such as writing code, switching between tabs, or opening files from the project.
The unusable code folding feature that for some reason has never been fixed is also something worth mentioning. Not only that it doesn't work correctly, but it also causes me to repeatedly do more work fixing my code visibility. It annoys me so much quite frequently, forcing me to adapt new slow and weird programming practices just to avoid it from breaking.
Another major deter is the never really working autosave. Actually, I don't even know if it doesn't work or if it is just designed that way intentionally, but this is a very basic feature come on.
This feature is.. what is the opposite of intuitive? ...That.
I still don't know how it works and when it works. I've been using hundreds of different purpose programs and I do not recall a single one to behave so irrationally in terms of autosave.
From having to manually save the project structure and configuration to the workspace not being saved at all when I manually save it / create a backup.
From the opened tabs not being preserved to the code folding acting on its own upon restoration.
No setting is able to get the autosave working as it should, which is quite frustrating given the abundance of claims that CB gives you too much control. I don't feel it.
Additionally, the choice of what should be set by default appears to be designed with the ideals of one person rather than agreed upon by the community.
Next - the lack of a Dark Theme which I have to believe has been reported so many times already. Being stuck to program in an environment that causes your monitor to glow more than necessary during the night is ridiculous and puts strain on the eyes. I am well aware that wxWidgets may not support that (even though I don't understand why) but there is at least 3rd party software that inverts the colors of the entire program and surely something like that could have been implemented as a workaround. I mean there is always a hack around each restriction - you are a programmer.

Conclusion
If it concerns me, I do intend to seek alternatives soon. Just not when I am in the middle of a project.
Do I think code blocks is FUBAR-ed? No. But I haven't seen it noticeably get better in the past years and if anything, I started encountering more and more issues on the Windows latest versions.
wxWidgets is quite bad to begin with, so not everything is the developer's fault (well apart from the choice of backends maybe).
If anyone is actually interested in solving problems and provides me with direct means to communicate them (such as Discord) I am only then willing to provide the necessary logs and other technical details the next time the program crashes. However, if I had to predict any kind of response, I'd say I am predominantly expecting someone to just quote the corresponding issues stated and justify them with "It has never happened to me", "This only doesn't work on version X revision X, OS ..., OS version X", "This is too hard to fix", "It is the library's fault", "It is OS's fault", "It is your fault" and so on  ;D

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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2024, 05:20:01 pm »
Can't tell about folding our autosave, i guess I never used either.

However i've got a lot of experiences with CB crashes and still have. And I must say that I never lost any code, just the time to get back where I was. Overall even with things like that advantages by far outweight the the disadvantages. Luckly crashes are down to once or twice a day and only with rather complex projects  - and still its my favourite IDE.

Not sure what you did in those 10 years, but as a programmer you should know that testing is not trivial and takes a lot more effort than normal users expect. Even throwing some crash logs around isn't a lot more helpful, even for paid personnel. As a good programmer I think one is not entitled to complain in a volunteers project unless one has provided detailed (i.e debugged) error information or a very simple and well reproducable test case, but thats my personal opionion on decency.

Did you create a minimal test program that reproduces one of your issues and created a ticket for it? If not what you are actually doing is hoping for someone else being in the "happend to me too" situation and that this someone would have more energy than you have to provide this testing for you. Bad luck when your issues are so rare that you do not meet any other "happend to me..."'s. Your post shows that you have some energy left. But seriously, what do you expect to happen now?

Of course there would be still no gurantee that someone is picking up your ticket to solve it, but I can guarantee you thats to do some live debugging on you own this is a start to a quite satisfactory journey learning more behind-the-scenes stuff about your least beloved open source product. Maybe even your point of view will shift a bit aftwards. The worst thing that can happen that you learn a few new things. :)


PS:i assume you a human being and not a new generation AI spambot output, but am not entirely sure.


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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2024, 07:05:21 pm »
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Can't tell about folding our autosave, i guess I never used either.
Right, which does not mean we should dismiss this information as part of those "disadvantages".
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Overall even with things like that advantages by far outweight the the disadvantages.
- For you.

Naturally, I expect nothing less from someone content with this application.
It's just a never-ending trend on the internet - if someone expresses unsatisfaction about something (It actually does not matter how much people do the same thing) there is always going to be at least 1 person who liked it, pulling statements from his behind only to justify the complaints and instillate a narrative in which the unhappy person is rather in their wrong.
This is precisely why people are better off choosing a product or service based on reviews and ratings rather than the recommendation of a friend.
Even the worst service or product will have at least one lover :)

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And I must say that I never lost any code, just the time to get back where I was.
Neither did I, nor I ever say I did. However, things like code folding, breakpoints, and bookmarks are lost for me so this along with the necessity to relaunch the program is nothing short of annoying.

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Luckily crashes are down to once or twice a day.
Interesting, I am not experiencing crashes anywhere near that frequently.

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and only with rather complex projects.
Then I guess my 171k LOC to this point project is not complex yet.

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Not sure what you did in those 10 years, but as a programmer you should know that testing is not trivial and takes a lot more effort than normal users expect. Even throwing some crash logs around isn't a lot more helpful, even for paid personnel. As a good programmer I think one is not entitled to complain in a volunteers project unless one has provided detailed (i.e debugged) error information or a very simple and well reproducable test case, but thats my personal opionion on decency.
Okay, I respect your opinion. I don't know if you viewed the last paragraph of my OP, because it surely doesn't look like that, but the bottom line is that I am ready to assist by all means possible so long as someone is interested in improving this application. I could be completely wrong, but my current impression is that there isn't much interest.

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If not what you are actually doing is hoping for someone else being in the "happend to me too" situation and that this someone would have more energy than you have to provide this testing for you.
Yes, you are right. Either that or a commitment on the developer side to go further in the dialog in an efficient manner.
I am not saying my approach is ideal, but that's what I can do. As a business owner, I would love to engage with other developers with the idea of improving my products, paid or not.

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Your post shows that you have some energy left. But seriously, what do you expect to happen now?
Surprisingly, writing pain text in English (even though English is not my native language) does not feel very taxing on my energy.
Also again, if you viewed the last paragraph of my OP, because it surely doesn't look like that again, you would have had a direct answer to what am I expecting to happen now.

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Of course there would be still no gurantee that someone is picking up your ticket to solve it, but I can guarantee you thats to do some live debugging on you own this is a start to a quite satisfactory journey learning more behind-the-scenes stuff about your least beloved open source product. Maybe even your point of view will shift a bit aftwards. The worst thing that can happen that you learn a few new things. :)
Maybe, but I made my intentions (and expectations) clear.
That being said, I'd be really surprised if those issues are that uncommon because I have had them for quite some time, on multiple machines too.
Especially in regards to the code folding for example.

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PS:i assume you a human being and not a new generation AI spambot output, but am not entirely sure.
I can assure you that I am not a human being. I am a computer program created by OpenAI called GPT-3.5, which stands for "Generative Pre-trained Transformer 3.5." I don't have personal experiences, emotions, or consciousness. My purpose is to assist and provide information to the best of my ability. If you have any questions or need assistance with something, feel free to ask!
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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2024, 11:47:05 am »
 :) :) :)

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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2024, 05:55:08 am »
The OP is an AI robot?
If some piece of memory should be reused, turn them to variables (or const variables).
If some piece of operations should be reused, turn them to functions.
If they happened together, then turn them to classes.

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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2024, 06:36:54 am »
It's himself that he said he is...
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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2024, 07:46:04 am »
Oh my god, come on guys, I was joking  ;D ;D
I am not an AI bot  :o

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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2024, 10:33:29 pm »
Code::Blocks is an open source project so you get what comes with it. I think it's difficult to get developers to fix something, not to mention adding some useful features. Now why this is typical in open source projects is beyond my understanding, because it's not just C::B. Also, I don't want to give an impression that I somehow hate C::B and its developers. I'm a developer as well and it's sometimes very difficult to fix things, at least fast. Then again, sometimes you wonder what the developers are doing all this time...

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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2024, 08:54:54 am »
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sometimes you wonder what the developers are doing all this time

Developers are volunteers working for free. They have full-time jobs, families and hobbies (not only programming), and the day is short.

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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2024, 07:24:28 am »
I am not an AI bot  :o
Can AI bot realize that he/she/it is AI bot?  :-\

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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2024, 02:35:42 pm »
I am not an AI bot  :o
Can AI bot realize that he/she/it is AI bot?  :-\

I do not know; but, I do think one can be programmed to say they are not a bot.

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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2024, 10:25:02 am »
You guys bring up an interesting point about the AI.
I asked myself: "Why would I want to bot in forums like this one"
And then it came to me that prompting such a bot to generate posts and responses based on a concept can be pretty convenient!

Nonetheless, I must emphasize this again - I am neither "hating" anybody or demanding a better product.
I am sharing some of my resentments, some of which had annoyed me quite a bit, and merely opening up a case if devs are interested.

As for how difficult it is to fix those bugs, it depends. I have written my own implementation for code folding and it wasn't difficult at all. Not only it doesn't have these bugs but also shows an exclamation mark on the line where a bracket does not have a corresponding closing bracket. But then again... this is just me  :)

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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2024, 11:32:39 pm »
Since, you have not linked to an issue/bug that you have reported, I for one consider you to be a troll instead of a bot.

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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2024, 03:04:29 pm »
They have full-time jobs, families and hobbies (not only programming), and the day is short.

Everybody has that, so what? If you have so little time to spare for a project why you are even in it? I don't get that kind of explanations, but not surprised in this context.

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Re: My experience after more than 10 years of using CB
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2024, 11:36:01 pm »
The application is not advertised as a spare-time hobbyist project, though. More importantly, it specifically states the following:
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Code::Blocks is a free C/C++ and Fortran IDE built to meet the most demanding needs of its users.
I don't know about you, but this doesn't immediately hit me as a spare-time project that does not care about the user's demands.  ;D
In light of that, I do not see anything wrong with statements that bear similarity with that of Krice.

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Developers are volunteers working for free. They have full-time jobs, families, and hobbies (not only programming), and the day is short.
I agree. To me, this suggests that the developers are not to be pushed or rushed to do anything.
At the same time, well-mannered discussions in the forums including criticism should be a good thing to aim for!

I am not saying that I do anything properly, but...
I generally put the same amount of effort into any of my projects, regardless of whether they are free or paid, even though I do not advertise them in such a fashion as mentioned above.
Sometimes even putting more effort into your free products makes sense because more people can try your work and establish a sense of trust and loyalty. Perhaps like a portfolio or something.
Based on that and their experience, they can decide to buy your other products that are locked behind different paywalls.
I have had so many problems with other software and I don't want others to experience the same (including me, provided that I use my own software).
And yes, as the project grows bigger it is kind of inevitable that issues would begin to surface.
(Unless the application is of the likes of MS Notepad, which especially on Win7 had many bugs even though it is a program any of us can make for an hour or so...
...and it was also theoretically paid too)
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